Thanks fore your comments, blondie. Well i think this was a personal statment, i think some not is so famlijer widh this new polyci, that we can take some fractions, and dont talk so much about this, but fore me this is VERY GOOD.</P> I think this is a very important thing how going to save a lot of lifes, and this is the important thing , i think fore some the most important is to hunt GB not to find solutions how save lifes, and try to find ways to solv this problem.</P> some I have talk to say, never we take anything how come from blood, but from my point of wuie, this change is a very good thing fore ; most of JW, it is only a littel problem to get this out to peopel, I have told a lot, and some are very surprised.</P> If someone here now more about the work widh this HEMO PURE, please tell it here, the purpus is to save lives, i hope even fore most of you, we must also have understanding that fore some this blood law is very important, and it is in the bibel, from the law dont kill you fellow man, as former Jw i am sure you all now the bigg importens of blood is in bibel, and how we treat it.</P> one thing ;as i was thinking about on this meting about the blood, was how we deal widh our kidds, they say we have a resposibilaty fore them, but from what age?</P> My teen dotter say to mee, she dont care, i have no power over her, she decide herself, I must say young peopel today is very edjucatded when it comes to diffrent things, when i was 13 i never have the currige to qestion my parents, as the do today, on god and bad.</P> widh love from HM
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Blood issu
by happy man inthis blood issu is not so easy, we have our meeting last week about this, i ask the elder why he dont tell about his major components, and that we can take evry singel compponent how is taken out from this 4 major ones,he say this was so complicated, and think peopel have to read themselfs in wt 2000. .
i can say this, i think it is good that gb done this to a thing between you and the lord, perhaps evrything about the blood should be a conciens matter between us and the lord.
on the other hand, i saw on sweed television yesterday abuot this hepatit c, thing several peopel are going to sue, the state, beaucause they have this decis from bloodtransfusions, and now are waiting to die, they say that a lot of times hospital use this things unessesary, and they have never noen that they hade blood, 900 people only in sweden have hepatit c, i think that if we count how many how are dead in this using or not using blood, we have a much higer accont hwo is dead beaucause they have blood, aids , hepatit c and other, it i sems it is very dangerus to have blood today, and why did we never read about that peopel dying beacause of this, but if one die when they not have blood it is a lot of noice, in sweden i think perhaps we have 2 or 3 how die , when they not have blood, but compare this widh hundreds how die or hade bad things like aids, hepatitc beaucause they have blood ,somthing to think about.
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Blood issu
by happy man inthis blood issu is not so easy, we have our meeting last week about this, i ask the elder why he dont tell about his major components, and that we can take evry singel compponent how is taken out from this 4 major ones,he say this was so complicated, and think peopel have to read themselfs in wt 2000. .
i can say this, i think it is good that gb done this to a thing between you and the lord, perhaps evrything about the blood should be a conciens matter between us and the lord.
on the other hand, i saw on sweed television yesterday abuot this hepatit c, thing several peopel are going to sue, the state, beaucause they have this decis from bloodtransfusions, and now are waiting to die, they say that a lot of times hospital use this things unessesary, and they have never noen that they hade blood, 900 people only in sweden have hepatit c, i think that if we count how many how are dead in this using or not using blood, we have a much higer accont hwo is dead beaucause they have blood, aids , hepatit c and other, it i sems it is very dangerus to have blood today, and why did we never read about that peopel dying beacause of this, but if one die when they not have blood it is a lot of noice, in sweden i think perhaps we have 2 or 3 how die , when they not have blood, but compare this widh hundreds how die or hade bad things like aids, hepatitc beaucause they have blood ,somthing to think about.
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This blood issu is not so easy, we have our meeting last week about this, I ask the elder why he dont tell about his major components, and that we can take evry singel compponent how is taken out from this 4 major ones,he say this was so complicated, and think peopel have to read themselfs in WT 2000.
I can say this, i think it is good that Gb done this to a thing between you and the lord, perhaps evrything about the blood should be a conciens matter between us and the lord.
On the other hand, I saw on Sweed television yesterday abuot this hepatit C, thing several peopel are going to sue, the state, beaucause they have this decis from bloodtransfusions, and now are waiting to die, they say that a lot of times hospital use this things unessesary, and they have never noen that they hade blood, 900 people only in Sweden have hepatit C, I think that if we count how many how are dead in this using or not using blood, we have a much higer accont hwo is dead beaucause they have blood, aids , hepatit C and other, it i sems it is very dangerus to have blood today, and why did we never read about that peopel dying beacause of this, but if one die when they not have blood it is a lot of noice, in sweden i think perhaps we have 2 or 3 how die , when they not have blood, but compare this widh hundreds how die or hade bad things like aids, hepatitC beaucause they have blood ,somthing to think about.
I myself think that the bibels teching us to not take blood , is wisdom from the lord, the history show that it was much more dangerus than we now before, even today nowan can garante you that you not will have a dangerus sickness, if you take blood, so i think even if i was not Jw i will, not use blood, perhaps we see a ligt in the tunnel, when it comes to this blood compotnets from red blood cells, how can use oxigen like the new medecin named hemo pure, so if we look 5 or 10 years ahed, perhaps we can skipp blood transfusions.
And I think that all this high discusion on this site in this issu is , of the hate some have to JW, if we look on this issu widh neutral eye, i think we must say this polyci have not ben so bad fore most peopel, sure it have protect some from have bad disises, and even die.
And it is also my belive that much more people die beaucause they have blood , than beaucause they dont have.
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Latest Blood Documents from Jan. 2003 TMS
by Jourles ingo here to view scans of the latest blood documents that were released this week at the service meeting: .
http://12.210.76.249/blood_docs/ (the scans are big!
but the size averages around 70-80k per file) .
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happy man
This blood issu is not so easy, we have our meeting last week about this, I ask the elder why he dont tell about his major components, and that we can take evry singel compponent how is taken out from this 4 major ones,he say this was so complicated, and think peopel have to read themselfs in WT 2000.
I can say this, i think it is good that Gb done this to a think between you and the lord, perhaps evrything about the blood should be a conciens matter between us and the lord.
On the other hand, I saw on Sweed television yesterday abot this hepatit C, thing several peopel are going to sue, the state, beaucause they have this decis from bloodtransfusions, and now are waiting to die, they say that a lot of times hospital use this things unessesary, and they have never noen that they hade blood, 900 people only in Sweden have hepatit C, I think that if we count how many how are dead in this using or not using blood, we have a much higer accont hwo is dead beaucause they have blood, aids , hepatit C and othe, it i sems it is very dangerus to have blood today, and why did we never read about that peopel dying beacause of this, but f one die when they not have blood it is a lot of noice, in sweden i think perhaps we have 2 or 3 how die , when they not have blood, but compare this widh hundreds how die beaucause they have blod somthing to think about.
I myself think that the bibels teching us to not take blod , is wisdom from the lord, the history show that it was much more dangerus than we now before, even today nowan can garante you that you not will have a dangerus sickness, if you take blood, so i think even if i was not Jw i will, not use blood, perhaps we see aligt in the tunnel, when it comes to this blood compotnets from red blood cells, how can use oxigen like the new medecin named hemo pure, so if we look 5 or 10 years ahed, perhaps we can skipp blood transfusions.
And I think that all this high discusion on this site in this issu is coued of the hate some have to JW, if we look on this issu widh neutral eye, i think we must say this polyci have not ben so bad fore most peopel, sure it have protect some from have bad disises, and even die.
And it is also my belive that much more people die beaucause they have blood , than beaucause they dont have.
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The Pain of my Daughter
by LeslieV inmy oldest daughter wrote this to her father to show her pain of his choosing his religion over her.
of course, once he read the letter he told her he has just choosen jehovah.
she wanted me to share this with all of you, and especially if there are any jw's that are lurking on this board, to show what a child feels when religion is more important than your children.. dear daddy;.
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Well this si funny, i have 5 children , and i must say I am choced over the guts they have today, when I grow upp it was never any talking about doing things your parents said, this was the best fore you, and I can say i was not bad fore mee, growing upp in JW was a good thing fore me .
But when it comes to my children I deside that I never should force anything on them, read from intresting artikels in Wt And Awake ones a week was my way to dont have them think they was forced in this religion,
I must say the outcome is not what I waited, 2 of my boys are what you say bob Marley fans,and almost anarcists, atacking mee fore my belife evry day, unbelevebel how dare they???
And yesterday when we have the blood polyci on our meeting my dotter how is in the early teens , tel mee she decide fore herself, and I have no power over her, and if I try she think I am a murder,
hmm what to say, not so easy to bee a fadher in the truth thees days, i can not understand what i have done to deserve this, somthing i must have done wery wrong???? Or what do you think?
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St. Louis Reporter Seeks Silentlambs for Interview
by abbagail infrom: "silentlambs" [email protected].
date: tue, 7 jan 2003 23:19:35 -0600. to: [email protected].
subject: st louis area.
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happy man
What was happend widh this Wicy Boer case, as we read about so much, anyone how now the outcome, wasnt it in januari the result of the trialwold be here, heard nothing.
Las Vegas??, dont play away all the money B.B.
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30 Years of Service then saved by grace
by Dogpatch insaved by grace after 30 years of service
brian cole
from http://www.exjws.net/pioneers/briancole.htm.
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Here is some of what this religoin stands fore.
We believe in the divine inspiration of the Bible, and endorse all the teachings contained in it. Following is a summary of the basic teachings of our faith. Click on the titles for more depth on each subject.
THE DIVINE TRINITY consists of three Persons: God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Ghost, perfectly united as one. Matthew 3:16,17; 1 John 5:7.
REPENTANCE is a godly sorrow for sin with a renunciation of sin. Isaiah 55:7; Matthew 4:17.
SALVATION is the act of Gods grace whereby we receive forgiveness for sins and stand before God as though we had never sinned. Romans 5:1; 2 Corinthians 5:17.
SANCTIFICATIONor Holiness, the act of Gods grace whereby we are made holy, is the second definite work and is subsequent to justification. John 17:15-21; Hebrews 13:12.
THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST is the enduement of power from on high upon the clean, sanctified life, and is evidenced by speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance. Luke 24:49; Acts 1:5-8; 2:1-4.
DIVINE HEALING of sickness is provided through the atonement. James 5:14-16; 1 Peter 2:24.
THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS will be just as literal and visible as His going away. Acts 1:9-11. There will be two appearances under one coming: First, to catch away His waiting Bride. Matthew 24:40-44; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17; second, to execute judgment upon the ungodly. 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10; Jude 14,15.
THE GREAT TRIBULATION will occur between Christs coming for His Bride and His return in judgment. Isaiah 26:20,21; Revelation 9 and 16.
CHRISTS MILLENNIAL REIGN is the literal 1000 years of peaceful reign by Jesus on earth. Isaiah 11 and 35.
THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT is the final judgment when all the wicked dead will stand before God. Revelation 20:11-15.
THE NEW HEAVEN AND THE NEW EARTH will replace the present heaven and earth, which will be destroyed after the Great White Throne Judgment. 2 Peter 3:12, 13; Revelation 21:1-3.
ETERNAL HEAVEN AND ETERNAL HELL are literal places of final destiny, each as eternal as the other. Matthew 25:41-46; Luke 16:22-28.
MARRIAGE IS FOR LIFE, a holy institution that is binding before God, giving neither partner liberty to marry again as long as the first companion lives. Mark 10:6-12; Romans 7:1-3.
RESTITUTION is subsequent to salvation, wherein wrongs against our fellowmen are made right in order to have a clear conscience before God and man. Ezekiel 33:15; Matthew 5:23,24.
WATER BAPTISM is by one immersion "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost," as Jesus commanded. Matthew 3:16; 28:19.
THE LORDS SUPPER is an institution ordained by Jesus so that we might remember His death until He returns. Matthew 26:26-29; 1 Corinthians 11:23,26.
WASHING THE DISCIPLES FEET is practiced according to the example and commandment Jesus gave. John 13:14,15.
In evry religion we have peopel who lost there faith, and change fore a new religion, i have read on ex Jw sites, ex mormons sites, ex new born christian site, and perhaps we also have a ex apostolic faith church.
I have respekt fore evry man and what he found was the best religion.
But when i read about ex JW how now belive that they will live fore ever in heaven when the rest of man must suffer fore ever in some sort of fire place, then i think they have going from smoke to fire.
Never i say never i can beklive in a almighty good who do things like this, and it is unbelivebel fore me thet any who have ben Jw can acept this, and veery sorry I must say.
I can never be happy living in heaven when i no the most peopel are suffering inhell fire, thank you wery much C:T Russel that you se this very important thing and putt down the fear fore this place.
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A Question for All JWs to Ponder
by radar inif the governing body are spirit directed, why do they need to vote on issues pertaining to faith?.
if 12 governing body members vote, and say 5 vote in favour of one understanding but 7 vote in favour of the opposite.. does this mean that the 5 who were not of the majorityv, did not have jehovah's spirit on the matter?.
is the majority rule, the right one, the spirit directed one?.
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I read some where that they do not make changes if they dont have 2/3 majority,
seems to mee thet it is the same as in a elder grop, in some way we must decide, or what do you think, and woting is the only way as i se it.
One other thing how many here forget is that thing change, it is diffrent men in this group now then it was 50 yeras ago, and times change also, then things must be changed , like this blood poyci, i think it is very good that we now can putt it before jehova if we can take bloodfraktions from evry part of the blood, perhaps this is a step to other things, we must understand it is Jehova and Crist who judge not men.
I hade understnad that if GB changes something the most here complain, if they dont change they also complian, must be momet 22 to sadicfied most peopel,on this site.
widh love from HM
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Did this ever seem weird to you?
by whyhideit inthe jehovah's witnesses have been saying for years now that the end could happen at anytime.
yet when you want to become a jehovah's witness it takes about one to three years of studying to actually be allowed to get baptized.
it seems to me that this would be like seeing a train about ready to hit someone and rather then push them out of the way, you first ask them if they know how to build a train and then explaining it to them in detail.. just seems to send a mixed message of "the end time is near" and then "but we have plenty of time to get things planted in your mind before it arrives.".
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This is the topic as I think we are on dangerus ways, the history show that it is not from the lord to tell when things happend, even if we must be awake. All we as have grown upp as JW now that we have been learnd that it is very near, it is like if you are on a buss and they told you shangri-la is behind next kurv and thay have say that fore 100 years, and that we can be sure about that, a very bad thing to do i think. I also tell in my answers in study when some use to tell how wery near we are, that we dont now this, it is not upp to us to now, and then i read from the bibel that not even jesus now this, i use to also tell some from our history, and ofcourse this disturb some, radher funny.
I hope GB focus on other things like how we can have a better life if we follow the bibel, and the hope we have to look forward to, this is what i do in service fore exampel.
HM
ps, one thing how can bee disturbing is how long can we say the end start 1914, soon we are 100 year from that, and we now thet satan was told when he was putt down to earth that he has only o short time left.
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JW Clan coming to visit!
by Golden Girl inand i want to run away!....
hubby's mom and sister and brother in law (all jw's) are coming to visit him next week.
only for one day this time.
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happy man
Hello golden girl.
I am very sorry to here of the problems widh your hubby, perhaps it is more easy if you have some sort of belive, when this bad things happend, but i am not sure. The only thing we can do is to bee there fore them, and try to comfort in some way, and dont forget we dont no who going to live in the new order, only the lord.
warm greatings from HM , to you AND YOUR HUSBAND.
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Greg Stafford --- Update
by ExpandedMind ingood morning!
i found this post on channel c and thought i'd share it with those of you who are interested.
happy new year to all of you!
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I think the point is, can we have 6 million diffrent wuies, if we are one peopel widh one spirite can we not have a lot of diffrent belives.
I hope we can come to a standpoint that the most issus , are bettwen us and Jehova, as they have done widh this blood fractions. Perhaps we can come back to a point that this widh blood issu as we have before 1961, we will not bee dfd, or treated like we was dfd if we dont follow the line from GB.
I think this is the main problem, and sure we can qestion this, do any have power to dfd fore some of the resons we now see, like blood, bibel say nothing about transfusions, same widh this days we dont suppose to selebrait, bibel say nothing about this either, if we shall be realy hounest bibel say dont condem any fore selebrait surten days.
So what some are waiting on are just that we go the same way as in the blood issu , it is upp to our consiens, and bettwen us and Jehova.
If we read 2 Tess 2. 4 we see that ther is a bigg risk to say we have the power from jehova , and putt ourself in some position to judge over life and dead.
Ofcourse we now bigg religions who have done this,, sending million of millions of young men out in war telling them they was serving the lord when they kill the anymie.
So I hope the Gb have ther mind clear and see this things, and if we wait things changes .
Some here forget that the ruels we have now was putt in by peopel who lived in other times , widh other wuies , now i think some younger peopel coming in widh some other oppinon.
it is not easy to lead 6 million peopel so evryone is sadicfied, some paitence is perhaps what we nead.
A lot of peopel tell bad expirenses they have from the system but we can not forget that ther are 1 million Jw in the states who are i some way happy widh ther religion, and the growing from 2 million 1980 when RF thing happend , to 6 million now, show that a lot of peopel think JW is a good religion fore them.
I think this depend on 4 things, first, JW are the only religion who take absens from politik, and are therfore one nation all over the word, this is a very powerfull thing as several religions have ben unsuccessful to do.
Next thing is the clear understnading on who our good is, and that he have a name, jehova, and his son is jesus, compared to the difficult teaching of the trinity this is also a simpel way to understan , hard thngs.
Also what will happend when we died, it is like going to sleep, no hell and forever pain, is something how many peopel like i think.'And ofcourse, the goal to live fore ver on eart, how diffrent from other religions as think they come to heaven and live ther , and other shall be badley trated fore ever in hell.
So in some way JW religion have many things how sound wery logikal to a lot of peopel, the increasing numbers is a proff on this, but I must admit it was a bigg surprise fore me to find 3% in US, not what a lot of peopel here have think .